Deu23v1to9 Immigration Misc

Deut 23:1-9 Immigration, Naturalization, Forgiveness, Much Else - J :) 

From a forum post: From: Jim :) (JimSmiling) To: Bob (Bobbylee7)

Bob (Bobbylee7) said...

Deuteronomy 23:3 KJV ¶ An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

Hi Len, Jim post passage in one of his posts and it goes with this discussion too. What is this about? 10 generations?

You may have been thinking originally about vv 7-8 in Deu 23. Full passage below:

Deuteronomy 23:1-9 KJV ¶ He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 2 ¶ A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 3 ¶ An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: 4 Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee. 5 Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee. 6 Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever. 7 ¶ Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother: thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land. 8 The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the LORD in their third generation. 9 ¶ When the host goeth forth against thine enemies, then keep thee from every wicked thing. http://biblehub.com/purple/deuteronomy/23.htm

Some thoughts on the passage.

One. Membership in the congregation of Israel is the equivalent of citizenship in the Nation. It is also significant in worship in that its privileges include entrance into an inner court of Tabernacle and Temple.

Two. v. 1 has two purposes. a. Mutilation of male genitals from trivial, a nick, to castration was a frequent sign of commitment to idolatry. b. Potency is important. The proper cutting of genitalia, circumcision, depicts, in a sense, continual potency in a spiritual sense, in its likeness to erection.

Three. Ten generations includes 1023 people, less duplicates. The probability of bastardy in one's ancestry in ten generations is probably rather high. But God and those keeping silent are merciful toward a chosen Nation.

Four. Ruth, ancestor of David and of our Lord, was a Moabite. The injunction pertains to males. Mothers teach us how to be human. Fathers teach us how to relate to our society. Ruth and the other three women of Mat 1:3-6 trace the origin of the seed of the woman back to Eve rather than via Israel. http://biblehub.com/purple/matthew/1.htm vv 3-6

Five. After Abraham's and later the two angels' rescues of Lot, the sins of his descendants against Abraham's children of promise is particularly egregious. The Lord's turning the attempted curse into a blessing idicates that, as in the case of Joseph's brothers ( Gen 50:15-21 http://biblehub.com/purple/genesis/50.htm vv 15-21 ), we should be ready and willing to forgive everybody for everything, as Joseph was, and as we are instructed ( http://biblehub.com/mark/11-25.htm ). Forgiveness does not exclude, of course, the taking of proper precautions against recurrence.

Six. It takes three generations of immersion in a new society before full membership is appropriate. Citizenship after seven years of residence for protestants and Jews of western European origin was appropriate in colonial days. But is probably appropriate today only for those from the Anglosphere, of thoroughly British origin. Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Germany might also be considered for those exceptionally fluent in English. If we are to recover the virtues of America, we must maintain and enhance the origins of those virtues. Please note that I am not excluding others from residence. Only from citizenship for a biblical three or more generations of immersion.

Seven. There are some who should stay in other lands and find improvement there. Our number one foreign policy goal should be to open all nations to the preaching of the Gospel.

Eight. Verse 9 reminds us of the need for moral purity in any of our various ministries.

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Deu23v3 Trump v Protected

Trump: Rise of Unprotected -Noonan – J :)
Deuteronomy 23:3 KJV ¶ An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:
Trump and the Rise of the Unprotected
Why political professionals are struggling to make sense of the world they created.ByPeggy Noonan The Wall Street Journal Peggy.Noonan@wsj.com Feb. 25, 2016 8:02 p.m. ET 1469 COMMENTS  WSJ | 2016-02-26T01:02:00.000Z  http://j.mp/0NoonanProtectT aka  http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-the-rise-of-the-unprotected-1456448550 
We’re in a funny moment. Those who do politics for a living, some of them quite brilliant, are struggling to comprehend the central fact of the Republican primary race, while regular people have already absorbed what has happened and is happening. Journalists and politicos have been sharing schemes for how Marco parlays a victory out of winning nowhere, or Ted roars back, or Kasich has to finish second in Ohio. But in my experience any nonpolitical person on the street, when asked who will win, not only knows but gets a look as if you’re teasing him. Trump, they say.
I had such a conversation again Tuesday with a friend who repairs shoes in a shop on Lexington Avenue. Jimmy asked me, conversationally, what was going to happen. I deflected and asked who he thinks is going to win. “Troomp!” He’s a very nice man, an elderly, old-school Italian-American, but I saw impatience flick across his face: Aren’t you supposed to know these things?
In America now only normal people are capable of seeing the obvious.But actually that’s been true for a while, and is how we got in the position we’re in.
Last October I wrote of the five stages of Trump, based on the Kübler-Ross stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Most of the professionals I know are stuck somewhere between four and five.
But I keep thinking of how Donald Trump got to be the very likely Republican nominee. There are many answers and reasons, but my thoughts keep revolving around the idea of protection. It is a theme that has been something of a preoccupation in this space over the years, but I think I am seeing it now grow into an overall political dynamic throughout the West.
There are the protected and the unprotected. The protected make public policy. The unprotected live in it. The unprotected are starting to push back, powerfully.The protected are the accomplished, the secure, the successful—those who have power or access to it. They are protected from much of the roughness of the world. More to the point, they are protected from the world they have created. Again, they make public policy and have for some time.
I want to call them the elite to load the rhetorical dice, but let’s stick with the protected.
They are figures in government, politics and media. They live in nice neighborhoods, safe ones. Their families function, their kids go to good schools, they’ve got some money. All of these things tend to isolate them, or provide buffers. Some of them—in Washington it is important officials in the executive branch or on the Hill; in Brussels, significant figures in the European Union—literally have their own security details.
Because they are protected they feel they can do pretty much anything, impose any reality. They’re insulated from many of the effects of their own decisions.
One issue obviously roiling the U.S. and Western Europe is immigration. It is the issue of the moment, a real and concrete one but also a symbolic one: It stands for all the distance between governments and their citizens.
It is of course the issue that made Donald Trump.
Britain will probably leave the European Union over it. In truth immigration is one front in that battle, but it is the most salient because of the European refugee crisis and the failure of the protected class to address it realistically and in a way that offers safety to the unprotected.
If you are an unprotected American—one with limited resources and negligible access to power—you have absorbed some lessons from the past 20 years’ experience of illegal immigration. You know the Democrats won’t protect you and the Republicans won’t help you. Both parties refused to control the border. The Republicans were afraid of being called illiberal, racist, of losing a demographic for a generation. The Democrats wanted to keep the issue alive to use it as a wedge against the Republicans and to establish themselves as owners of the Hispanic vote.
Many Americans suffered from illegal immigration—its impact on labor markets, financial costs, crime, the sense that the rule of law was collapsing. But the protected did fine—more workers at lower wages. No effect of illegal immigration was likely to hurt them personally.
It was good for the protected. But the unprotected watched and saw. They realized the protected were not looking out for them, and they inferred that they were not looking out for the country, either.
The unprotected came to think they owed the establishment—another word for the protected—nothing, no particular loyalty, no old allegiance.
Mr. Trump came from that.
Similarly in Europe, citizens on the ground in member nations came to see the EU apparatus as a racket—an elite that operated in splendid isolation, looking after its own while looking down on the people.
In Germany the incident that tipped public opinion against Chancellor Angela Merkel’s liberal refugee policy happened on New Year’s Eve in the public square of Cologne. Packs of men said to be recent migrants groped and molested groups of young women. It was called a clash of cultures, and it was that, but it was also wholly predictable if any policy maker had cared to think about it. And it was not the protected who were the victims—not a daughter of EU officials or members of the Bundestag. It was middle- and working-class girls—the unprotected, who didn’t even immediately protest what had happened to them. They must have understood that in the general scheme of things they’re nobodies.
What marks this political moment, in Europe and the U.S., is the rise of the unprotected. It is the rise of people who don’t have all that much against those who’ve been given many blessings and seem to believe they have them not because they’re fortunate but because they’re better.
You see the dynamic in many spheres. In Hollywood, as we still call it, where they make our rough culture, they are careful to protect their own children from its ill effects. In places with failing schools, they choose not to help them through the school liberation movement—charter schools, choice, etc.—because they fear to go up against the most reactionary professional group in America, the teachers unions. They let the public schools flounder. But their children go to the best private schools.
This is a terrible feature of our age—that we are governed by protected people who don’t seem to care that much about their unprotected fellow citizens. And a country really can’t continue this way.
In wise governments the top is attentive to the realities of the lives of normal people, and careful about their anxieties. That’s more or less how America used to be. There didn’t seem to be so much distance between the top and the bottom.
Now is seems the attitude of the top half is: You’re on your own. Get with the program, little racist.
Social philosophers are always saying the underclass must re-moralize. Maybe it is the overclass that must re-moralize.
I don’t know if the protected see how serious this moment is, or their role in it. [My emphasis.]
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John 12:32 Pulpit Comm. BibleHub.com

John 12:32

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Verses 32, 33. - And I, if I be lifted out of (or, from) the earth, will draw all (men) to myself. Now this he spake, signifying by what death he was about to die. Ὑψωθῶ has been by Meyer, as well as many of the Fathers, referred to the Lord's resurrection and ascension. The ἐκ τῆς γῆς would certainly be in favor of it, and be a possible rendering if we hold (with Westcott and others) that resurrection and uplifting from the earth involve and presuppose a previous death, or that John always speaks of Christ's death as itself a glorious thing, as itself the commencement of the supreme glory of the Son of man. On the other hand - though this idea is reiterated by the opponents of the Fourth Gospel - there is nothing in the New Testament which makes the cross of Christ in itself a symbol of the exaltation of Jesus. Moreover, the next verse compels a closer reference to "the way in which he was about to die" - a mode of departure admirably expressed by the term "uplifting." The language of Jesus to Nicodemus, in which the same word occurs in describing the lifting up of the Son of man after the fashion in which the serpent was uplifted in the wilderness, confirms this interpretation of the evangelist, which we have no claim to traverse (cf. also John 18:32; John 21:19). Christ declared that the attraction of the cross would be mightier than all the fascination of the prince of this world. The word ἐλκύσω, "I will draw," is applied elsewhere (John 6:44) to the Father's work of grace, which preveniently prepares men to come to Christ. In these words we learn that the attraction of the cross of Christ will prove to be the mightiest and most sovereign motive ever brought to bear on the human will, and, when wielded by the Holy Spirit as a revelation of the matchless love of God, will involve the most sweeping judicial sentence that can be pronounced upon the world and its prince. In John 16:11 the belief or the conviction that the prince of this world has been already condemned (κέκριται) is one of the great results of the mission of the Comforter. [Emphasis added.]

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Lam2v11 VW Last Post

VW A Voice in the Wilderness | Blog last post: Closing Words | J :)

-- Closing Words -- A Voice in the Wilderness Blog last post November 9, 2015 http://j.mp/7BlogVW aka http://a-voice.org/blog.htm

"My eyes fail with tears; my stomach is upset; my liver is poured on the ground for the destruction of the daughter of my people, because the children and the babies faint in the streets of the city." (Lam 2:11)Lately I have either shed tears, or been on the verge of tears when the state of the church is observed.

"and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." (2Ti 3:15)

At the age of 5 I have known the Lord. I remember that night in Japan, after my dad highlighted a cross at July 13 on the calendar, and lifted me up as we went and looked at it together on the wall. It was a day of remembrance.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, and say, If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How will you escape the condemnation of Gehenna?" (Mat 23:29-33)

During my years of education I sought to conduct myself in Bible studies. Campus Crusade was pretty much known to be 'iffy', what with their mini-skirted "dancing girls" in their musical groups, and Intervarsity Christian Fellowship was thought to be -the- group to be involved with. So that's where I gravitated. This was the group I've told about at other times who attacked me with accusations of being "judgmental" and "unloving".

I was recently just reading in Jeremiah where this was found:

"The Word that came to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying, Stand in the gate of the house of Jehovah, and proclaim there this Word, and say, Hear the Word of Jehovah, all Judah, who enter in at these gates to bow down to Jehovah. Thus says Jehovah of Hosts, the God of Israel, Make your ways and your doings good, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. Do not trust in lying words, saying, THE TEMPLE OF JEHOVAH, THE TEMPLE OF JEHOVAH, THIS IS THE TEMPLE OF JEHOVAH. For if you thoroughly make your ways and your doings good; if you work to execute justice between a man and his neighbor; if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, nor walk after other gods to your hurt; then I will cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, forever and ever. Behold, you trust in lying words that are of no benefit. Will you steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know; and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, WE ARE DELIVERED TO DO ALL THOSE ABOMINATIONS? (It's OK for us to do this) Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it, says Jehovah. But go now to My place which was in Shiloh, where I set My name at the first, and see what I did to it because of the evil of My people Israel. (THE CHURCH) And now, because you have done all these works, says Jehovah, and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear; and I called you, but you did not answer; therefore I will do to this house, which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brothers, the whole seed of Ephraim." (Jer 7:1-15)

At (so-called) Bible studies the passage would be opened, and we would read...and then the moderator (they didn't have an actual 'teacher') would ask to "go around the room"...what does this mean to you? I also happened to be going to one of the "57 varieties" of Baptist church and at the end of one of the evening services the college group loitered around behind "whooping it up", and out of concern for the sanctuary (you know: Holy place) I voiced concern to an adult near-by, and they suggested I might keep them occupied by playing the organ, and they could sing along. (The place had a nifty little 2-manual pipe organ)The real kicker was...this was the college/career group. This group would continually ask me to conduct the Bible studies. I was always available to do whatever the Lord called, and so I would teach these classes. My Bible studies were the same as when I would -share- around the circle what the passage "meant to me". What does the passage mean?

What it says. What does the Word mean? What God said. Whereas the IVCF studies would retort with one-liners, "You're being so judgemental"; these college/career kids would rile up -VERY- vocally. Viciously. They didn't like what I preached. But you know what? They would -continue- to ask me to take the Bible studies, regularly. They would get riled up at one lesson, but continually ask me back the next week.

What was I preaching? What Jeremiah did just above, here. This is the church. We're going to church. We are having affairs. But it's OK. We're under grace. This was going on in Bellingham, I also attended another Baptist church in Spokane: there it was "grace, grace, graaaaaeeeeessss"God's grace "overlooks" our weakness. Actually, we have no "weakness". We are wonderful "just as we are" (as the speaker spreads his arms wiiiiidddd open) ALL YOU WONDERFUL PEOPLE. God accepts you just as you AAAARRRREEEE.Silly me! I thought God meant what He said, and spoke it like God said it. I guess I was too much 'concerned' for them. What did God tell Jeremiah?

"Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry nor prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you." (Jer 7:16)"Then I will cause the voice of gladness to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem, and the voice of joy, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride. For the land shall be desolate." (Jer 7:34)

Chapter 8 is more of the same. Please read it for the full picture."Behold the voice of the cry of the daughter of my people from a distant land. Is not Jehovah in Zion? Is not her King in her? Why have they provoked Me to anger with their graven images, with foreign vanities? THE HARVEST IS PAST, THE SUMMER IS ENDED, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED. For the ruin of the daughter of my people I am broken; I am in gloom; horror has seized me. Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why then has the healing of the daughter of my people not come?" (Jer 8:19-22)

And herein is one of the saddest verses in Scripture. And considering the time in history where we are presently standing poised, at the end of history. Every time I read it tears well up."THE HARVEST IS PAST, THE SUMMER IS ENDED, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED."and also...

"And he said to me, Do not seal the Words of the Prophecy of this Book, for the time is at hand. HE WHO IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL; HE WHO IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL; HE WHO IS RIGHTEOUS, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL; HE WHO IS HOLY, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL. And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to what his work shall be." (Rev 22:10-12)

"....WE ARE NOT SAVED"

"Even so. Amen!" (Rev 1:7)

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2Ki7v9 New Rain Forcast

New Detailed 6 hr. Rain Forecast - J :)
New feature on Weather Underground is too good not to immediately share.
http://j.mp/0Rain20886 aka http://www.wunderground.com/us/md/gaithersburg/zmw:20886.1.99999/precipitation?MR=1
2 Ki. 7:9 DRA ¶ Then they said one to another: We do not well: for this is a day of good tidings. If we hold our peace, and do not tell it till the morning, we shall be charged with a crime: come, let us go and tell it in the king's court.