Saturday, January 18, 2014

Luke 16:30-31 Saving Faith

(Luk 16:30-31 KJV) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.  31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Saving Faith
For admitted helpless sinners who obey the Gospel

From a forum thread (after editing):
Justifying faith (Rom 5.1,17) includes permanent lasting certitude (Rom 8.16) about impossibilities.
With Abraham this had to do his "dead" body and Sarah's "dead" womb (Rom 4.19).
For the Christian this has to do with believing a Man rose from the dead (Rom 10.9-10) and that he is a child of God despite his defects (Rom 8.16).
Justifying faith (John 5.24) requires realization that one is a helpless sinner (Rom 8.8).
The rich man in Hades was not aware of this. He thought that his good intentions toward his relatives had merit (Luke 16.30-31).
One thing few realize is that in Rom 3.22-23 the "upon all them that believe" is subset of the "unto all", all men (see Rom 3.3).
And, similarly, in Rom 5:18; 5:19 the "all" of v. 18 are clearly contrasted with the "many" of v. 19. The offer of free salvation is too all, many accept it.
Only those who realize that they are helpless sinners in need of salvation are able to accept free salvation. (Rom 6.17).
God respects the freedom He has given to beings created in His image. If they are unwilling to irrevocably give up their right to go to perdition, He has prepared a place for spiritual defectors (Rev 20.10,13,14,15).
Those receiving justifying faith believe God (John 1.12) instead of the wisdom of men (1Cor 2.5).
The sort of faith you are crediting those who died in their sins with is different. It requires believing in the wisdom of men ("I'm just as good as you are.") (see Rom 5.7,8) and rejecting the many evidences in natural inner knowledge (Rom 1.19,20,22) and scripture that payment for sins will be exacted in the afterlife (Matt 7.23; 5.29) unless true repentance takes place before death (Heb 9.27).

Universal Salvation post on thread

The post (slightly edited) responded to by the above post:
[X] said... / To all, / For the past few weeks, I've had the pleasure of discussing with several participants of this forum the question, Will God freely justify, reconcile and save all of mankind?
If I have understood everyone correctly, all of you have been saying that not all of mankind will be justified, reconciled and saved.
My good friend, [Y], sometime ago, has written two short studies on "Justified freely (gratuitously), which I like to present for you to critique. Any comments will, of course, be welcome. / [X]

Justified Freely (gratuitously) (1)
Abraham was righteous, because he believed God’s word (Gen.15:6). In the teaching of the Apostle Paul, this known fact is the classical example of justification by faith (Rom. 4:3; Gal. 3:6). But what does that means? What did Abraham believe?
When we turn to Genesis 15, we see that an elderly, childless Abram (Gen 15:1) was led out into the night and was shown the starry sky above him (Gen 15:5). Just as countless, in number, will be your descendants, he was assured. And after this promise we read the well-known words:
And he believed in the YAHWEH, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Of Abraham nothing was asked. He was informed of something. Even if Abraham would not have believed God, that would not have changed the information. Abram believed an unconditional message. A word freely (gratuitously) given him. And that faith was counted to him for righteousness. Hence, Paul concludes:
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness -Romans 4:5-
It is not faith, in general, that God reckons for righteousness, as if believing is a kind of performance that God rewards with justification. Then, faith (through the backdoor) would still be a "work" deserving payment (Rom. 4:4). But the point is that the faith that God counts for righteousness, is faith in His unconditional promise. This excludes all (self-) glory (Rom. 4:2) and makes it that GOD receives all the glory (Rom. 4:20-22).
Lo and behold, the Good News message: gratuitous (free) justification! And therefore, too, the justification of all! This ironclad logic is inescapable according to Paul, as he stated earlier:
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely (=gratuitously) by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, -Romans 3:23,24-
And no less clearly in Chapter 5:
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. -Romans 5:18-
Through this joyful tiding, we can establish our faith on Him "Who justifies the ungodly"

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